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Jan 26 2002, 11:54 AM
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This is an exerpt from a member from hondasuv.com:
PROS AND CONS OF USING K&N FILTER:
Pros: high air flow, reusable.
Cons: lets more dust in, the reuse oil is about $8, mess to deal with when washing. the dust particles that are allowed into the engine gunk up, wear out the parts faster, engine will not last over 100 000 miles.
I have turned down most of the "high flow" filters because of the simple law of physics, in order to let more air in either have to increase the surface area or make the pore bigger, since the K&N drop in filter has almost the same surface area, then the pores are bigger. the cone probably has better surface area, but i don't really want more engine noise (from the air being sucked in) Thanks for the advice though
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Jan 26 2002, 03:23 PM
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Not sure I agree with the "lets more dirt in" theory. If they let more dirt in, you would end up wearing the rings and the car would start using oil right? (correct me if Im wrong).
Ive used either a Drop in K&N filter or an aftermarket pipe with cone K&N on it on my last 7 cars. All went in at about 5,000 miles or s0 and stayed in until I sold the car and not one of them ever used any appreciable ammount of of oil. Nor did I ever find fine dirt in the intake and essentially Ive never had a problem. I clean the filters every 20,000 miles or so. The cleaning kit lasts through prob 4 or 5 cleanings. Not very expensive considering the cost of factory filters.
1986 Pontiac Trans Am 186,000 1990 Civic SI K&N in for over 130,000 miles 1991 Saturn SL2 50,000 1994 Civic EX 78,000 1994 Pontiac Trans Am 112,000 1995 Chevy Impala SS 56,000 1990 Honda Accord ex 130,000
Your mileage may vary and please use what you are comfortable with but I dont think its all that much of an issue.
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Jan 26 2002, 07:49 PM
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I have been using K&N filters in all my vehicles since 1991, many of which approached 200k miles with absolutely no engine problems. I have several friends that have done the same (one guy put 300k on his CRX and used the same K&N filter since 50k with no problems.) Believe me, K&N filters filter every bit as good as paper, and quite possibly better. K&N have been renowned in automobile and motorcycle racing for years, their reliablity has been proven over and over again. Check this page for some more insight: http://www.knfilters.com/facts.htmMy $.02, Stephen 01 ITR NBP 01 ITR
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Jun 27 2002, 03:39 PM
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This is a huge can of worms but here goes a small attempt. Just hitting high points. feel free to flame away.
I would avoid the tornado device as I dont think it works. Ive seen people put it on GM V8 cars, dyno with and without and there was no change. Yes, fuel injected computers DO learn to a certain extent over a few hundred miles and of course there are always differences in dynos, and air temp and pressure and humidity change and cause changes etc etc. but bottom line is the differenc is probably too small to measure.
The K*N filter will help. Aftermarket intakes with cone filters much more than drop ins but even those help. Anything you do to help the car breathe better both intake and exhaust will help TO A POINT. Open up the intake beyond what the throttle body can flow and that becomes the bottle neck, get a bigger throttle body and then the valves/heads exhaust ports and cam, then headers, then size of exhaust pipe, then mufflers in turn become the bottleneck.
BUT IF you open either end up too much you end up reducing velocity in the system which KILLS torque and hp. Thats why a bicycle could outrun civic with a 4" exhaust, kill velocity, kill torque, and your are dead off the line.
Bigger engine bigger gains Putting a cold air kit with cone K*N filter and 4" intake tube to the throttle body on my 95 Impala SS (5.7 liter V8) netted me 17 rear wheel hp 0n the dyno with no other modifications to the car, which worked out to 25 hp at the motor over the stock intake.
PUt a cold air kit like that on a civic and you wont see 17, More like 3-5, drop in K*N prob even less unless you cut the airbox to get more air BUT then you let in hotter air from the engine compartment and heat kills HP. anyway, smaller engine, smaller gains.
Ive used both cones and drop in K*N filters on 5 of my hondas and 3 GM RWD V8 cars so far, and ran 3 hondas and 1 trans am well into 150,000 mile territory without any adverse effects to the motor. No oil burning, no oil use, no worn rings, no dirt in the intake behind the filter, nothing. I have an AEM short ram on my 90 accord now, Yes it sucks a lot of heat in with the cone but it breathes sooo much better than the stock airbox that it ends up helping.
The diff will be felt more in the higher RPM range than down low but in anycase I dont think just dropping in a K*N will hurt. And you wont ever have to buy another 20 or $30 filter again.
Jeff
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