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Nov 6 2001, 07:14 AM
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Yes- you can add an air intake and exhaust upgrade to the CR-V. There are a dozen other mods available (bolt-ons) but these are a good place to start, I can email you more later if interested.
Air intake- a couple of options You can either use a drop-in K&N air filter, which will fit in the existing air filter box, or get a full-blown replacement air intake system, which goes in place of the entire air filter system. The drop-in is an easy option, costs about $45.00 from pep-boys or through the web (if it isn't listed for the CR-V, I hear its the same as the civics of the same year, but double check by cross-referencing part numbers). It will probably increase engine output by 2-5 real horsepower. It might increase engine noise slightly. The replacement air intake system replaces the restrictive plastic/rubber elbow between the air filter and intake manifold with a freer-flowing aluminum or high-temp plastic elbow. The air filter is a larger cone-style unit which allows much more air to enter the engine than the original or drop-in filter. You might experience an increase of real horsepower of 5 to 10 HP with no other engine mods. You will however experience a lot more noise when you press the gas pedal--on my 89 civic Si the engine sounds like Chewbacca growling when the throttle is opened, a noise some people like, others hate. They run between $100 and $200 or so and may require some minor modifications to the system. Both K&N-style are oil-impregnated cotton filters which filter out a lot more contaminants than the paper filter currently on the car. The systems offer a lifetime warranty on the filters, with filter cleaning and re-oiling needed about every 50,000 miles.
Exhaust- there are a few systems on the market available in 2 sections, the header and the rest of the system. The header comes in different configurations, made of different materials, and may be 1 piece or 2 piece designs. I can give you more details on this in another email if you are interested. The header replaces the existing, restrictive cast-iron 4 into 1 header with a freer flowing system. It will also increase engine noise. a header alone will give you 8-15 real horsepower. They can run $200-500, depending on a lot of features. The exhaust system usually has larger, freer flowing pipes leading to a less restrictive muffler. depending on the design of the system, the pipes and muffler may be made out of stainless steel or painted mild steel, amd may have more than one tailpipe. an exhaust system will definitely increase engine noise and can run from $300-600. There is such a broad difference in systems that, together with an intake system and header, one might be able to create 15-40 extra horses.
After these mods, you might try a larger throttle body, a fuel-pressure riser, adjustable cam sprockets, different cams, porting and polishing, lower engine mods, dry-sump oil systems, racing pulleys........
Jesse
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Nov 6 2001, 04:33 PM
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You make it sound so nice you almost had willing to spring some more cash trying to find more ooomph for my V. Question though, are you speaking of what these type of mods would do in general or what these specific mods would do on a CRV with a B20 engine. From what I've read elsewhere, there's little power to be gained from intake, filter, or exhaust mods, and some have actually lost power with them. I think I read somewhere that some major intake manufacturers don't even make intakes for CRV because of this (AEM?). If it takes a supercharger kit at $5,000 to get 50 horsepower I don't think its realistic to expect anywhere near 40 hp with intake/header/filter and exhaust. I think everywhere that you've listed a range for hp gains you should dump the high end # and stick with the bottom (15-40 horse?). Also, one should consider that often with exhaust mods you gain a tiny but in very high rpm peak horsepower but you lose usable torque, which is what you want 90% of the time. My $.02
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Nov 6 2001, 12:27 PM
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Thanks Michael. I am talking general numbers- these numbers aren't CR-V-specific and reflect general claims by aftermarket performance manufacturers across their product line (for Hondas). Keep in mind that considering the displacement (2liters) and design of the engine (a very efficiently designed aluminum twin-cam engine) there is a lot of power potential in this engine that is not being utilized by the mass-produced and mass-marketed stock engine. The stock airbox is (relatively) restrictive as is the cast-iron intake manifold, which does not utilize power-increasing technologies such as coatings or cylinder scavenging (a 4-2-1 header will increase low-end torque, a 4-1 header is for high-end torque). On top of this, one main reason performance decreases with some of these bolt-ons is the resulting lean-running condition (due to "too much" efficiency of the performance upgrades). There is so much more air entering the intake manifold with an air intake system that the fuel has a hard time keeping up with the boost in air supply. That is why it is almost imperative to add one or more of these components: A fuel-pressure riser(B&M makes one for Hondas, don't know if its compatible), Higher pressure fuel pump (Holley (& others) makes a few for Hondas, again don't know if its compatible), larger fuel injectors, a reprogrammed ECU (bullfrog & others), or some type of electronic "cheater module" (there are a few on the market) to deliver more fuel for the given volume of air. I don't recommend "throwing" these components in indiscriminately as soon as you can afford them. The best thing to do is properly "blueprint" the engine, add the components a few at a time, test the results on a Dyno (or by the seat of your pants). Then share your results with others. Not to get into semantics, but the Jackson supercharger runs $3000, comes complete (less replacement manifold gasket), is super-reliable and maintanence free, and can be installed in a few hours by any weekend mechanic worth his salt. If I had 3 grand to spend and was really disappointed with the output of the CR-V engine I would go for it (I should mention I am not disappointed with it, and don't plan on any performance upgrades in the near future. I spent my lust for speed on my heavily modified 89 Civic si)
Thanks for the $.02
Jesse
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Nov 6 2001, 05:45 PM
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These type of mods (intake, exhaust etc...) would really benefit from changes to the Factory Engine Managment system.
Powerchip (http://www.powerchip.com.au) have a chip for the CR-V starting from AUD$715. They have several different chips tuned to suit different fuel octane ratings.
The 98 Octane chip is claimed to give an extra 13kw (or 17Hp - from memory I think 1HP = 1.34kw).
I don't have one of these yet, but would be interested to hear if anyone out there gets one!
Slater, Michael writes:
> You make it sound so nice you almost had willing to spring some more cash > trying to find more ooomph for my V. Question though, are you speaking of > what these type of mods would do in general or what these specific mods > would do on a CRV with a B20 engine. From what I've read elsewhere, there's > little power to be gained from intake, filter, or exhaust mods, and some > have actually lost power with them. I think I read somewhere that some major > intake manufacturers don't even make intakes for CRV because of this (AEM?). > If it takes a supercharger kit at $5,000 to get 50 horsepower I don't think > its realistic to expect anywhere near 40 hp with intake/header/filter and > exhaust. I think everywhere that you've listed a range for hp gains you > should dump the high end # and stick with the bottom (15-40 horse?). Also, > one should consider that often with exhaust mods you gain a tiny but in very > high rpm peak horsepower but you lose usable torque, which is what you want > 90% of the time. My $.02 > >
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